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From Chad,
golfer: |
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"I am currently considering the new
Titleist 975j driver. I use a 975d 8.5 EI-70 R-Shaft now. I am not sure
this shaft or loft is right for me. I usually shoot low 90's to high 80's.
Some days the driver really works well, but other times it is well right.
It seems if I try to really swing strong I have a hard slice. I have the
original Orlimar trimetal 13 wood with a firm flex shaft and it works
perfect for me. My average swing speed is somewhere in the upper 90's.
Could anyone suggest a loft and shaft flex? I am standard size
golfer by PING web fit charts. Should I use a 45" shaft?" |
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PGA/LPGA
TEACHING
PROFESSIONAL
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Alabama
"Chad: The problem I notice
often with longer shafts is that often students have their hands too high
and not creating an angle from our body. Try lowering your hands at
address.... (i.e. push your knuckles to the ground) this maybe a good
reason you are losing shots to the right. As for a shafts: I feel the
shaft you have is a good shaft. I have always known the EI-70 shaft
to a solid shaft and very reliable for most students."
- Todd
Beterman, Teaching Professional |
Arizona
"Chad, Did you happen to read Golf Digest 2001.
There is an article on testing of golf club equipment.
I am an LPGA in Tucson and have been using the Golf Achiever from
Focaltron for over a year know and whenever my students question the
shaft. We get instant feedback. Club speed will important is not the only
thing a club fitter looks at. It's how much ball speed you get from you
club that's really important.
A golfer can have a club speed of 95 and ball speed of 115 or a club speed
of 95 and ball speed of 130. The latter of the two options show a better
shaft. That why I'd suggest you contact Focaltron 866-588-0088 for your
nearest PGA/LPGA or club fitter that utilized this equipment or another of
your choice that is laser equipped. The laser equipment is exacting
and there will be no doubt as to the correct club/shaft for you. Be sure
to read the article in Dec. 2001 Golf Digest and note the various
club/ball speed examples." - Allyson
M. Carter, Teaching Professional |
California
"Your problem could possibly be that you need a more lofted Club. The
R Shaft sounds OK although you are right on the borderline for a S Flex. I
would also suggest that you see a GOOD Club Fitter. Call your local PGA
Section and find out the closest winner of Club Fitter of the year award
for the last few years. With today's Hi Tech and a good eye of a
professional you should have no problem picking the right SPECS for you.
Get those SPECS then go get the Club you like the looks of. Make sure you
get the proper strength and FLEX POINT of the shaft for your new club.
Some companies offer this service in their Factory for free." - Pat
Chartrand, Teaching Professional |
California
"Chad: 1. Your current driver
with the EI70 shaft should be evaluated in shaft weight in addition to
length. The EI70 is a mid weight shaft and that is why a lot of tour
players have played it in the past. 2. The 975J comes with a stock shaft
from Titleist which is a ultra light weight shaft. It is offered with
custom shafts with different weights also such as the Grafalloy Pro Lite,
The UST ProForce65 & 75, and the EI70. I think you should try a
lighter weight shaft first. You club head speed may be a better fit for a
lighter shaft. 3. Absolutely go with the 45" shaft. The club heads
are being made and weighted for a longer shaft that traditional lengths.
The additional shaft length may require some getting used to. You also may
have get used to hitting longer drives. Get yourself onto the Titleist
website and try to figure out when a demo day is in your area and see if
you can hit some clubs with the same club head but different shaft weights
and flexes. Good Luck." - Mike
Davis, Teaching Professional |
California
"Chad:
Drivers, like putters, need to be fit very specifically. Remember, each
company has their own set of standards and what is firm for one brand may
be a more flexible shaft for another and vice versa.
Slicing
the ball is caused by the swing path going left (for a right-hander) with
the face open. You can have a club built by a trained club fitter to
correct that swing error. It sounds, though, as if you need more loft on
your club and it just doesn't fit you. My recommendation is to demo
several drivers with 9.5 degrees or more but with various shaft flexes. So
much is built into a driver (unlike a fairway wood which is why they are
easier to hit). Companies like Zevo & Henry Griffitts have a number of
ways they fit drivers to students. Make sure you ask around for the best
club fitter in your area, too, and get suggestions there. Even if you have
to pay for a fitting, it is money well spent as you won't be wasting it on
a club you can only hit on occasion. If a club fits, you should always be
able to hit it. Good luck."
- Kati
Biszantz, Teaching Professional |
California
"Chad: As a
teacher here are my concerns, you have the ability to hit your 13 dg
olimar well. To match we should look at getting you into a driver with
10.5 degrees loft or more. Length should not be more that 44 inches right
now. The idea is to keep your driver in play. The regular weight shaft
should be fine for the club head speed you are telling me you have. I do a
lot of club fitting for Adams golf, and seeing ball flight is really the
only true criteria to determine what club is for you. What I have just
suggested on paper based on the information given should be right, but in
club fitting we never assume! Keep in touch if you need more
information. What the heck give the new Adams drivers a try when they come
out after the PGA Show!" - Bob
Veroulis, Teaching Professional |
California
"Those questions would best be addressed by a
teaching professional in your area, with extensive club fitting knowledge.
There are so many variables, that without seeing you and your swing, it
would be impossible to answer in an e mail. Some club fitting centers have
a computer that measures launch angle, spin ratio, and a variety of
variables. It would be good for you to fitted using that kind of
feedback." - Mardell
Wilkins, Teaching Professional |
Florida
"I would suggest a firm shaft with 11
or 12 degree loft. One reason you hit your Orlimar so good is because of
the loft (loft helps the ball go straighter). The longer the shaft, the
more the ball tends to go off line. Clubs have gotten longer, as heads
have gotten lighter. Most titanium drivers are 45". Good
Luck!" - Mike
Clayton, Teaching Professional
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Florida
Chad: Okay, a couple of things I might
suggest to you. First the reason you are slicing with an 8.5 is there
isn't enough loft. Your 13 goes straighter because it is more forgiving
(3iron VS 9 iron). You want to hit the ball lower than check shafts not
heads. Next time you go out to hit try a 10 and see if it doesn't help.
If I can be of any help please don't hesitate to e-mail."
- Chip
Ebert, Teaching Professional
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Florida
"With all of the options available today it can be frustrating to
pick a club. Even though we have become very scientific, the best way is
still trial and error. Find a shop that has demo's and hit them. Because
this is a huge investment you may even pay a professional for his time
helping you to pick the right club. Things to remember. Less loft does not
always mean you will hit it longer. You hit the 13 degree Orlimar perfect
because it has loft and the ball has an easier time climbing the face
instead of sliding off to the side. You are most likely between a stiff
and regular shaft, closer to stiff. Find a shaft with less torque. The EI
70 fit's this spec. Off the top of my head I would guess that the best for
you will be the 975J, EI 70 stiff (not tour stiff), 9.5 loft 44
inch." - Mike
Dopslaff, Teaching Professional
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Florida
"If
you slice, take more loft in your driver and get lessons. More lofted
clubs have less spin. The "J" driver is good but it is the Indian
not the arrow that makes a good player. Spend that $400 on lessons with a
good pro. You will learn more about yourself and your game."
- Jess Frank,
Teaching Professional |
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Florida
"Hi Chad: Your question came to me via
find a lesson...Concerning the flex of your driver: Usually if the flex
is too light for a player the ball will tend to go to the
left.....however, you state a firm shaft in the Orlimar works
great...Why not try swinging the new Titleist in a firm shaft to
compare? Your average swing speed is a stronger swing speed and could
justify a firmer flex. Try a slightly higher loft just for the sake of
experimentation, but I don't see this as contributing to your problem.
One other thing: When you try to swing too hard there is the tendency to
pull your hands and arms "into" yourself instead of
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Florida
"You need to go to
a Titleist demo day. A friend of mine
went a couple of weeks ago, they have
over 70 drivers to
fit you properly. It would be a lot more accurate if you tried a few
different drivers and let them put you on the
swing analyzer. And that tells you what
kind of launch angle
you have, how much roll, etc... Good
luck."
- Duncan
McNabb, Teaching Professional |
Georgia
"Chad it really depends on what you like to look at and how solid you
feel you can hit the ball at a consistent speed. I myself have a Titleist
9.5 d Driver and I have tried the new J and I find myself going back to my
D because it feels more solid and consistent. Many of the other pro's I
work with feel the same way. I tend to spray it more with the j than the
d. Although the j is a very good club for some, I myself prefer the d. It
is funny you ask about this, Yesterday 1-10-02 I found out that Titleist
does not make the d driver anymore and I wanted an 8.5 with the ys9.1
shaft in it. I called Titleist in California and I'm sending my old 9.5d
to them and they are putting the ys9.1 in for me because I still want the
d driver over the j. About you lie and loft get fitted on all types of
driver's, get the club that gives you a nice boring trajectory, not too
high and not too low, low spin as well. I hope this helps and remember,
it's not the arrow it's the Indian." - Bin
Brandon, Teaching Professional |
Indiana
"Dear Chad: Did you answer your own question?
When you swing within yourself what happens? When you swing too hard what
happens? I might suggest you look for a major demonstration day in your
area. On those days it is possible to try many shaft flexes, head sizes
and lengths. We have a cart containing 16 right handed drivers at the
course where I work. If I tried the wrong club for me, I might be mistaken
in thinking the clubs were no good. On the other hand, there are probably
four of the 16 that I could take on the course and get desired results.
Don't preconceive the correct driver for you. One admonishment--you might
find that practicing your short game will be more beneficial to your
scoring than a bushel full of drivers. Remember, you only use the driver a
maximum of 14 shot per 18 holes."
- Gary Focken,
Teaching Professional |
Indiana
"Chad: The best suggestion I can make is to go to a local PGA or
LPGA Professional for a club fitting before doing anything. They should
be able to tell you the correct shaft, shaft flex, loft and length you
will need. Also, once you have this information ask if it is possible to
hit a demo with these same specs." - Chris
Lovrine, Teaching Professional
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Maine
"Dear Chad: While not trying to give you a generic answer, my
suggestion is to visit your local PGA Professional and test drive a number
of different drivers and shafts. Without seeing your swing it is very
difficult to suggest a driver. There has been so much research done in the
last few years on proper launch angle and shafts. Like a car, if you are
interested in the driver right for you, go test drive a bunch. Plus, it is
really fun! Good Luck!" - Chris
Christie, Teaching Professional |
Maryland
"I would suggest a stiff flex. You mention that
you have had success with s stiff 3 wd. I would never suggest someone vary
the flexes throughout a set. Many shops are now offering custom fitting on
woods as well as irons. Find a shop that has the wood you are looking for
with different shafts in the fitting cart and demo them with the
assistance of the golf pro."
- Norm
Vacovsky, Teaching Professional |
Massachusetts
"Chad, the loft and flex of the shaft depends a little on the kind of
shaft you choose. Will you use Titleist's proprietary shaft in your 975J
or do you plan to get a different shaft? If the swing speed you quote is
accurate, you might be able to use a stiff shaft, again, depending on the
shaft you choose. 8.5 deg. loft on the J might be okay since the launch
angle is a little higher than the 975D. Again, that depends a little on
the shaft, that is, whether the shaft has a high, medium or low bend
point.. I have three suggestions for you: 1. Contact a local golf club to
find out when they are going to have a Titlist demo day. You can try out
different lofts and shafts and perhaps find the one that's right for you.
2. Try to get the shaft you select "spined". This will help the
club perform more consistently. 3. Contact a local PGA professional for
some lessons. It sounds like you come outside to in at impact when you try
to make a strong move on the ball. Getting a new club will be enhanced by
a few lessons to get your swing in order. Hope this helps. Play
well." - Dennis
Radford, Teaching Professional |
Missouri
"Hi. I would suggest you re-read your
letter. I believe the answer is there. You obviously don't need another
club, you simply want one! Take the money and do something good with it.
Stick with the one that brung ya'. Good golfin'." - Perry
Leslie, Teaching Professional
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Missouri
"Without
seeing your swing, it's difficult to say. I would look at the specs on
your 3 wood and go from their. The shaft is more important than the head.
I use a Callaway Great Big Bertha, but have a UST shaft. If you have a stiff
flex in the 3 wood, I would certainly have a stiff flex in the
driver. Try the Titleist with the new UST 6.5 and stay with the standard
length. Hope you find one that works!"
- David
Mulso, Teaching Professional |
New Mexico
"Good
choice. I hit the 975J after being very pleased with the 975D. The J is
definitely straighter, longer, and more forgiving. I would suggest
at least 9.5 or 10.5 on the loft. I use a 10.5 with a Grafalloy firm,
but started with the Titleist 55 gram Regular. It was a little too soft
and though it launched the ball nice and high which is what you want, it
didn't allow me to work the ball. Your EI-70 is a mid-weight graphite,
but is very tip stiff as it was originally designed for very good
players. I would suggest you try several shaft and loft options before
buying."
- Warren
Lehr, Teaching Professional
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New York
"Get checked with a Titlest Launch Monitor. That will tell you if
the equipment is tailored for your swing and swing speed." - Steve
Hirst, Teaching Professional
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New York
"Dear
Chad: My first question is, Why did you give up your Olimar?? 2} When you
do hit the 975d, how much further does the ball go than with the Olimar?
3} When your ball goes right with the 975d, does it start left of your
target and end up right of your target?"- Stephen
Kladis, Teaching Professional |
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Oregon
"Hi Chad: Nice to see your request on
Find a Lesson...I just switched to the 975J and am pleased. A
driver is like a woman to marry. You should get it right the first time!
So many armatures and pro's just keep trying new drivers hitting a few
balls or small bucket, maybe playing one round with it. AND IT'S A
DONE DEAL. What I did was the best (finally). Titleist has a fitting
truck that comes to our area once a year. I waited and went to this.
Well it's to great to explain the whole computer aspects of the great
job they do. Needless to say, they have 400 J drivers there, you hit
only pro V I balls! From your form filled out they start you with the
driver they think is best, hit 3-4 balls, move to another shaft. I went
thru 4 shafts until I screamed "that's it!". They had me try
one level more and then got me that one. Now...this deal is usually for
pro's. I was able being on staff to take two good students who were
serious about
buying the club. This is what you need to do
hook up with a pro that has the in to take you and WAIT until they come
around. "Stiff Shaft" does not mean your swing speed it in the
high 90's...it depends on your attack angle to the ball. I am a sweeper
and I use a regular shaft, a swinger with a down attack swing
might need a stiff shaft. Also consider the 975 fitting system ,at your
club perhaps, for your irons. That was also a great jump for my game
getting just the right shaft and lie for me. I am heading to Palm
Springs to teach for 5 weeks, and can't wait to work on My game, the
rain season here is getting me down. Thanks for your question." - Tom
Blair, Teaching Professional
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Oregon
"Take into consideration that the Titleist Drivers are "bore
through" drivers. By that I mean that the shaft goes completely
through the head. This stiffens the shaft considerably. Therefore your
EI-70 shaft would be closest to a stiff shaft with the bore through head.
As such you're more likely to push or fade or slice with this driver
because of the inability of the shaft to match your clubhead speed, etc,
etc. An R shaft is correct for you. The reason you hit your Orlimar 13
wood so well is primarily because of the loft and shorter club. It is
stainless steel and made at a shorter length. The S shaft has little
bearing on the results other than it makes it easier to control with the
higher loft. Try a UST - 65 - R shaft in your Titleist driver. If you buy
the new 975J then have it made with the Ust-65 shaft. That shaft is easily
recognized as it is yellow with purple coloring near the grip. It is a
fabulous shaft and easy to control. Yes 45 inches is the proper
length." Ronn
Grove, Teaching Professional
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Pennsylvania
"Dear Golfer: Just stick with the
Orlimar 13 Driver if you are hitting it perfect. The cause of your slice
could be a swing flaw that the 13 degrees of loft is helping to calm down.
The 8-9 degree drivers may be too strong for you. Set an appointment with
a competent golf instructor to check your swing basics and continue to try
other equipment once you have correct basic fundamentals and swing
thoughts."
- Bob
Sheppard, Teaching Professional |
Pennsylvania
"In your e-mail you don't mention the loft of the driver you have, but unless it is very low (say, 6.5), it probably isn't
relevant. What a lot of people forget when picking a driver is one basic truth. If the ball goes where you want, the club is right for you. If it doesn't, the club is not.
More importantly, unless you are grossly misfit, it is your swing, not the club that is responsible for good and bad shots. I would say with 99% certainty that the pushes and slices your experiencing are a product of your motion, not the club.
Having said that, here are some guidelines that might help you find a club that works better.
1. The correct stiffness of the right shaft for you is determined by two things. One is your swing speed (high 90's would indicate stiff), and the other is how quickly you transition from
back swing to downswing. Let's say for the sake of argument that both Ernie Els and Nick Price have the same swing speed, Price would need a much stiffer shaft than
Els. 2. If your problem is almost exclusively going to the right, and you'd rather try and fix it with equipment there are several components you can use:
a. Use a more flexible shaft. This allows for a the club head to be in a more forward and square position at impact.
b. Use a higher lofted driver. It will be more forgiving. Yes, you'll hit it shorter, but more in play.
c. Find a shaft that has more torque (twisting). This allows the toe to turn over more easily and again square the clubface.
Best of luck to you." - Bruce Stephen,
Teaching Professional |
Pennsylvania
"Chad:
Finding the correct driver for any golfer involves
establishing the correct relationship between the following components:
a) Loft of the head; b)
Length of the shaft; c) Flex of
the shaft; d) Kickpoint of the shaft. Each
component has an effect on the others, so it's important that you keep
that in mind when you change one and not another. Making
a recommendation on a shaft for you without knowing more information
about you and your swing is going to be a tall task for anyone.
If you have access to a facility with a
launch monitor and a fitting system where you can actually try different
component combinations and truly find out which works best for you, that
would be my professional recommendation. Best
of luck." - Ben
Witter, Teaching Professional
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Rhode Island
"Dear Chad: Try the 360 series from Taylor
made first before buying anything else. They are so forgiving and they
feel great. 45 inches is fine. Try the 10.5 then go from there."
- Susan
Bond, Teaching Professional |
South Carolina
"Hi Chad: It sounds like your problem is typical of what can happen
with shelf bought clubs. The shaft in your Titliest, obviously does not
match your hand and swing speeds. A shaft that fits should kick forward
right at impact. If you are going right with a hard swing it means the
club head is lagging behind and the shaft is too weak. Remember different
shafts have different playability factors for stiffness, kickpoint
(effective loft), and torque. A custom club fitter will be able to
determine this through testing, otherwise it's trial and error. Hope this
helps, any questions you can email me. I'm in Myrtle Beach,
S.C." - Sean
M. Carey, Teaching Professional |
South
Carolina
"Hello
Chad:
It sounds to me like the shaft could be appropriate, but the loft you
are using might not be doing you justice. What a lot of golfers do not
understand is that less loft does not equate to longer distance.
Professionals spend many hours testing driver/shaft combinations to get
the correct initial launch properties. This is how they gain optimal
distance. With the scores you are shooting, you should consider more
loft in your driver, possibly between 9 and 10 degrees. This might not
seem like a big difference, but it will make a difference in how the
driver can correct miss-hit shots. The more loft a club has, the
more self-correcting a club becomes to miss-hit shots. This was marketed
as the “gear effect” by many companies. Basically, drivers made of
wood have a pronounced curvature of its face. This is known as
bulge and roll. This curvature enabled a player to be less accurate in
hitting the middle of the club. Today’s metal woods do not have the
pronounced bulge and roll that woods did, but the design effect is still
built into the club. Metal woods are more dependent upon loft helping
correct imperfect shots. As far as a firm flex in your 3 wood, I would
disregard the fact that the driver is regular and the 3 wood is firm.
Because the tools are made by different companies, you bring into play
different construction guidelines and thresholds. A firm flex to on
company could be an “A” flex to another. I would also not be
concerned about a 45” shaft. I would not go any longer than that
length. Remember, the longer the shaft, the less control of the club. Do
consider a 44” shaft with your next purchase. You will probably find
that you will only lose a couple of yards, but your accuracy will be
noticeably better. When you do make a purchase, insure that you have
gone to a company certified fitting professional that can help you put
the right shaft and loft combination in your hand."
- John
Hughes, Teaching Professional
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South Carolina
"Hey Chad: In response to your question
about the proper shaft for your driver: I recommend a shorter shaft
for consistency in direction and distance. Get with a PGA pro and let us
improve your technique, then go back to the longer shafts. Improving in
golf is similar to improving in snow skiing. Start with short skis.
Once your skills are down, then you get longer equipment!"
- Doug
Weaver, Teaching Professional
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Tennessee
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Texas
"You need to consider two things. Even tour players' consistency in
impact lessens when the shaft gets too long. So I recommend a 43"
shaft. Secondly, I like to see players play with the most flexible shaft
that they can control. If your miss is right a regular flex will be a
good fit. Titleist drivers tend to be slightly higher as far as the
center of gravity on their drivers. This makes the ball go a bit lower
than other brands. Knowing all this I believe a Titleist J driver with
9.5 degrees of loft and a Proforce 5.5 shaft would be great for you.
Thanks for your question." - Dave
Baron, Teaching Professional
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Texas
"Just came back from a seminar here in
the Southern Texas PGA on club fitting and we talked about the trend in
longer driver and how a lot of the tour players are going back to more
of a standard length clubs. 43 1/2 to 44 inch drivers. They can hit them
just as far but much straighter. Your 3 wood is shorter and easier to
hit. With the longer club it also changes your swing plane more
because of the length which makes you create a different swing and for a
middle handicapper it hard to adjust that quickly to the extra length.
Stay with the R shaft but cut it down a little. The 8.5 may be a little
flat but I would try cutting it down first." - Fred
Collins, Teaching Professional
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Texas
"Dear Chad: Sounds as if you need to spend more time learning the
proper technique and feel of the golf swing. With proper training
and practice your need for the "perfect" golf club will
diminish. A golfer with good technique and feel of the swing will outplay
a golfer with the "perfect" equipment every time!
Many times, golfers look for that instant "fix" which is like
putting a band-aid on a severe wound. Sure, it may work temporarily,
but sooner or later you need stitches! The only way to improve your
situation is to take the money you would spend on a new
"perfect" driver and seek a good instructor in your area for
instruction. Then, practice the golf swing to learn how to draw and
fade the golf ball. Once you have learned the "perfect"
technique, your need for "perfect" club takes a back seat! I
have competed in the National Long Drive competitions for over twenty-six
years and qualified for the finals seven times... so, I know quite a bit
about drivers, he he! Good luck, Chad!" - Dan
Howard, Teaching Professional
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Utah
"Chad,
what's happening when you are swinging hard and you are getting a hard
slice is 1 of 2 things or a combination of both. 1)
the shaft isn't stiff enough for you so the head of the club is behind
it when you are going through the ball, thus leaving an open face and
putting a hard slice on it. 2)
you might also be turning or rotating your shoulders at the top of your
swing thus coming hard outside in on the ball and creating that slice
spin on the ball. And it could be a combination of the both. The 975J
has a bit of a closed face and also promotes a higher launch angle. If
you want a higher ball flight go with a UST or EI70 stiff flex, or for a
lower ball flight, I'd
go with a Grafalloy stiff flex. Either way you need a stiffer flex
shaft. We can do a change like that for you or if you want a J we will
give you a great price. There and many places you could go and demo a
8.5 975J with a Grafalloy pro-lite shaft stiff flex." - Brent
Wootton, Teaching Professional
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